Should We Read Creeds in Church Services?

Text reading, "Creeds Read in Church?" with images of Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker

How can a church incorporate a creed, confession, or catechism in weekly gatherings and services? Should they? Before dealing with the primary question, we must define the terms. What is a creed? What is a confession? What’s the difference? What is a catechism? How can we use these things in our spiritual journey? How do they help us grow? How can they be used in weekly worship services? Should they be used in a local church gathering? If a Pastor wants to integrate these things, how does he get there? In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker chat about creeds, confessions, and catechisms. Subscribe to the podcast wherever you get podcasts, watch on our YouTube channel, or listen here:

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Disciplines of a Godly Man (and Heaven Taken by Storm)

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There's something going on with young Christian men in America. Studies are finding more young men in church than young women. Bible sales are up, but not by a noticeable margin. More and more football players are talking about God on national television than ever before. College campuses are buzzing with theological talk, and the greater majority of it is among men. And this even seems to be stirring some action in older men. Therefore, there's never been a better time than now to press into being a godly man and raising up godly men.

Disciplines of a Godly Man by Kent Hughes is 19 chapters of easy-to-read, real-to-life, rich instruction for personal reflection, one-on-one discipleship, or men's group studies. I lead two small groups of young men, and we start with Disciplines of a Godly Man. I am also using the table of contents as the direction for our monthly men’s breakfasts at the church where I’m a pastor. (I am using a Text for each of the topics, but the topic is driving my choice of Texts.) The book has been in print since 1991 and has been updated a few times, but it is more important now than ever. It’s outstanding if you're looking to grow as a godly man. It’s also an excellent book for men’s groups and one-on-one discipleship.

Here’s a video of my thoughts and recommendations for Kent Hughes’ Disciplines of a Godly Man (Crossway, 2019). I also couldn’t help a brief discussion of Thomas Watson’s book, “Heaven Taken by Storm” (Banner of Truth).


Find this book wherever you buy good books or get it on Amazon here: https://amzn.to/3YN4Zbl. Find more book reviews and recommendations like this one on my book recommendations page.

Journey Through John: A 5-Minute Bible Study

Bryan Catherman is taking a journey through John on YouTube, with a simple, 5-minute daily Bible study. He and Josiah Walker discuss what’s behind it, why it's done, and how it works on this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. Find the Journey Through John playlist on the SaltyBeliever.com YouTube channel. Listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted wherever you get podcasts, watch this episode on YouTube, or listen here:

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Intern Episode: Daniel Catherman

It’s important that Christian churches and ministries seek to raise up Christian ministers for and from the next generation. We want to do our part, even at a website and podcast of obscurity. This is why we have a podcast intern. We don't even know what that really is when it comes to a podcast like this one, but it gives us a good excuse to challenge young people to serve, learn, and grow. Over the past 14 years of the podcast, previous interns have gone on to become biblical counselors, missionaries, associate pastors, and even a lead Pastor. This is a special episode, so we could interview Daniel the Intern, moving him out from behind his other duties and putting him in front of the microphone. He discussed his premium Schuyler Bible, Tim Wildsmith, and many more things. He’s the youngest intern we’ve ever had, and yes, we know there could be some nepotism at play here. Listen to this episode wherever you get your podcasts or listen here:

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Dealing with Change

Change can be hard. It’s harder for some than others. And it seems like the hardest place for change in the local church. What is change so difficult, and how are we to navigate change? Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman discuss change and the difficulties that come with change in this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. Subscribe wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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Forming Better Spiritual Habits

How do we form better spiritual habits? How do we stick to them? How do we achieve our Bible reading goals? What stops us? How do we say no to bad habits and yes to good habits? Forming good spiritual habits and achieving our goals requires learning to say no to things. It’s also helpful to measure the right things. This is the conversation in this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. Listen wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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What Devotionals are Helpful? (2026 Edition)

Books and an open Bible.

In this video, Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman share the devotional materials they find helpful. What are their daily habits to grow closer to God? That's the question they answer. It may help you. Listen wherever you subscribe to podcasts or listen here:

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The P.R.A.Y. Method for Prayer

Prayer doesn't come naturally. It's something to learn and be taught. There are plenty of tools out there, A.C.T.S. being one of the most popular. But the ACTS prayer method is missing something biblical. The PRAY model gets closer. In the video below, I discuss how PRAY might be healthier than ACTS. Also, here are some simple instructions for anyone asking, "How do I pray?"

P.R.A.Y.

P - Praise, Adoration, & Thanksgiving

Praise: Begin your prayer by taking several minutes to marvel in the God you serve. Think of some of His attributes and note how they are experienced by you each day. Remember His promises and how He has fulfilled them in the past. Think of the things that drive your affections toward God and tell Him about them. Notice the great things God is doing and declare His glory.

R - Repentance & Confession

Repentance: Acknowledge your struggles, trials, and shortcomings to God. Be upfront about your sins and let Him know you are genuinely sorry for them. This is not just remorse for getting caught, but real sorrow for choosing a false path. We acknowledge our sinfulness in contrast to His purity and confess who we are, considering who God is.

A - Asking & Intersession

Ask: Lay your specific requests before the Lord. There’s no need to be generic or “beat around the bush.” Share your needs, understanding that God already knows what you need before you ask, but He still wants you to ask. Pray for others. Bring the burdens of others before the Lord and intercede on their behalf. Nothing is too small or too big, just ask.

Y - Yielding & Honoring

Yielding: To yield to God in prayer is to submit to His plan and give him all glory. It involves choosing Him and what He is doing over what you want. Yielding puts Him in a position above you and above others. It can and should be stated in words in your prayer, but it’s practices over time as you preserve and trust in God’s timing. Continue to pray, wait, and watch for what God will do.

Calendar Years in the Bible

    When reading the Bible, we regularly come across statements like the one in Nehemiah 2:1: “in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes.” Or like Isaiah 6:1, “In the year that King Uzziah died.” These are significant statements because the numbering of the years was (and still is) tied to the reigning king. The first year of Artaxerxes would have been the first year he was in power. Every time a new king came into power, the numbering of each year would have started over.

    We use the same system today, but we base our calendar on King Jesus, starting in the year most believe was his earthly birth year, rather than arguing when Jesus’ kingly rule began. There is some debate about the starting year, with a range of 3 to 5 years. We still use the same language as the Old Testament: “in the year of our Lord,” but we say AD. AD is short for the Latin statement, Anno Domini, which means, “In the year of our Lord.” At the time of this writing, it’s AD 2025. AD comes first to identify which counting system we’re using. “In the year of our Lord, 2025.” And because Jesus is alive and will never die, our numbering system continues onward centered on Christ.

    But what about when we go back years before Jesus? Obviously, the author of Nehemiah didn’t know he was in 445 B.C. because he wouldn’t have known the starting point of the calendar system we use today. So to clarify, we count away in the negative, starting at the same point—Jesus’ earthly birth. However, rather than using a negative symbol, we use B.C. Because this is English for “Before Christ,” it’s abbreviated with periods.

    Some who want to avoid acknowledging Jesus have tried to change this system to B.C.E., meaning “before the common era,” and C.E., meaning “common era.”  This is humorous because the timeline is still based on Jesus. It’s also a form of chronological snobbery to assume that anything more than 2,225 years ago was uncommon, or that it happened before some magical common time. What defines something as the common era? If we try to remove Jesus from the timeline, what defines someone as in the common or before the common era?  

    The months of the Jewish calendar originally began with Passover and the Exodus. Some of the names changed after the exile into Babylon, but they continued to have twelve months that didn’t start over with each king. They are Abib (Nisan), Ziv (Iyyar), Sivan, Tammuz, Ab, Elul, Ethanim (Tishri), Bul (Marchesvan), Chislev, Tebeth, Shebad, and Adar.

Daily Doctrine by Kevin DeYoung: Yes or No?

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker discuss their year going through Kevin DeYoung’s book, Daily Doctrine: A One-Year Guide to Systematic Theology (Crossway, 2024). After reading it, they review it. Would they recommend it to others? Their answer might surprise you. Why did they end up disappointed? Listen wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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Social Media is Killing Biblical Community

Facebook’s newest advertisement is selling the community it killed. Does social media help or hurt real, meaningful community? It hurts. It was intended to help, but has it accomplished what we thought it would do? No. Has the effort to make money come at the cost of real community? Yes, and Meta is king. Is it causing depression and anxiety? Yes. Have we lost the idea of what community really is, and now long for something we already had? Yup. What is the cost? Doom scrolling is a thing, and doom is not a positive word. We need to talk about social media and the death of community. That's the topic of this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. Subscribe or listen here:

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Leadership Development Lessons for the Church, From Whittingham and Scalley

University of Utah Head Football Coach, Morgan Scalley.

    The University of Utah Football coach, Kyle Whittingham, announced his retirement, and already, the next head coach, Morgan Scalley, is ready to go. There wasn’t a single minute in question, and the team won’t skip a beat. While it became official for Scalley on December 13, 2025, the decision was made and announced by Utah Athletic Director Mark Harlan on July 1, 2024. There are lessons the Evangelical Church could learn from this living illustration.

    In an article titled “Empty Pulpits Coming to a Church Near You” (August 4, 2025), the EFCA reported that one in four pastors is planning to retire by 2030, and young people entering ministry are on the decline. Christianity Today reported the same situation across all Evangelical Churches, stating, “In 2022, just 16 per cent of Protestant senior pastors were 40 years old or younger. The average age of a pastor is 52. Thirty years ago, 33 percent of US pastors were under 40, and the median age was 44” (April 28, 2023). And in a Barna Report titled “The Pastoral Succession Crisis Is Only Getting More Complicated” (August 23, 2023), we learn that 79% of pastors believe “churches aren’t rising to their responsibilities to train up the next generation of Christian leaders.”

    In light of such a ringing alarm, what lessons could churches learn from Coach Whitt?

Make succession a culture, not a crisis.

    Utah didn’t wait until Whittingham’s last press conference to start thinking about Scalley. They treated continuity as part of the program’s identity. The team has known for well over a year that when Whittingham was ready to retire, Scalley would take over and keep moving. They selected him while Whitting was still on the job, and it’s likely that Wittingham was a part of the selection process. Churches often treat succession like an awkward conversation you have when the pastor hits a certain birthday, and everyone pretends not to notice. Or even worse, it’s a conversation that starts after the previous pastor’s moving truck pulls out of town.

    If the mission of the church matters (and it does), then leadership development can’t be a panic plan. It has to be a standing commitment. The leadership pipeline should go from the ground level all the way to the top and be a regular conversation.  Jesus loves his church and intends to keep feeding his sheep after any one shepherd is gone.

Stop hoping for mature leaders and start making them.

    Most churches want mature leaders to appear out of thin air, preferably well-trained, already tested, already humble, and already gifted. Scalley played Utah Football from 2001 to 2004. He was given a position as an administrative assistant in 2006. In 2008, Whittingham entrusted Scally with coaching the safeties and special teams. Recruiting Coordinator was added to his resume in 2009. In 2016, Scalley became the Defensive Coordinator. He’s had increasing responsibilities at the practices and on the field for years, growing into who he is today.  

    That’s discipleship. Paul didn’t tell Timothy, “Wait for the mature Christians to show up.” He told him to entrust the gospel to faithful men who will be able to teach others also (2 Tim. 2:2). That’s a pipeline. That’s a plan. That’s multiplication. It’s slow, inconvenient, and absolutely normal Christianity.

    I remember Mark Dever once saying that when churches replace a well-seasoned, aged Pastor, they shouldn’t go looking for another tiger, but look for a cub who will likely scratch up the furniture some, but grow into the tiger they’ll want. And he’ll be their tiger.  

Give the next guy real reps, not just theoretical preparation.

    Utah’s transition is going to work because Scalley wasn’t a name pulled from a committee hat. He’s had real responsibility before the handoff. He’s been tested some. Sure, Scalley will need to keep growing, but Utah knows him, and he knows Utah. Churches need to give young guys the opportunity to succeed and fail, but that means they need real opportunities.

   Leaders aren’t formed by reading books about leadership (although that can help). They are formed by carrying weight: teaching, counselling, leading, being corrected, learning the church’s culture, and absorbing the unwritten realities no seminary course can cover. Young men don’t grow into pastoral steadiness by accident; they grow into it by doing pastoral work under wise oversight.

Transition publicly, clearly, and with blessing rather than ambiguity and politics.

    Utah didn’t drift into a leadership change. They named it. They owned it. They communicated it. We all saw it coming and welcome it. And they honored the outgoing leader while setting up the incoming leader for credibility.

    Not every church gets the opportunity to transition well, but the chances are greater if the church works at it from the start. A healthy transition blesses both men: gratitude for the former, confidence in the next, and clarity for the people of God doing the mission of God.

    A football program can plan for the future because it knows what it’s trying to win. The church should be able to do the same, except our mission and the power behind it are far superior. Christ gives shepherds to his church (Eph. 4:11), and he loves to do it through ordinary means: faithful discipleship, qualified elders, tested character, and deliberate training.

    If one in four pastors really will step down by 2030, then this isn’t a problem for them out there. It’s a question for every local church. It’s time we get intentional about raising the next shepherds.

Crisis in Lexington

The Tyson beef packing plant in Lexington, Nebraska—a town of 10,000 people—is closing and laying off about 3,000 employees. It’s difficult to understand what might happen next. How should Christians respond to something like this? That’s the topic of conversation on this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. Bryan and Josiah chat with Kirk Galster. Kirk does ministry work in Lexington. Subscribe and listen to Salty Believer Unscripted wherever you listen to podcasts or listen here:

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Is it Time for Christians to Freak Out?

Is “The Age of Disclosure” something we should pay attention to and freak out, or is it just high-level clickbait? It costs $20 to stream. Is it worth it? Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker don’t know, but they do know that this isn't the first time Christians have freaked out over a documentary. In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, the guys discuss what Christians should do when they’re invited to a group freakout. What should Pastors do when their congregants bring these kinds of panic and worry to church? That’s the topic of this discussion. Listen wherever you listen to podcasts, or listen here:

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Getting Started in the Book of Luke

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Bryan Catherman has journeyed through the Book of Luke at Trinity Church, and Josiah Walker is just getting started at Redeeming Life Church. What should we think and do as we get started in this book? How do we study it? How should we break it down? Anyone preaching through this book is thinking about these things, but those sitting under the preaching in Luke should be thinking about it too. That’s the conversation between these two Pastors, and listeners are invited to hear the conversation. Listen wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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Books and Black Friday

Even the Christian book sellers get crazy on Black Friday. They are in the business to sell books just like the non-Christian publishers. In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman talk about books, book publishers, and those who sell Christian books. They also consider those who tend to offer huge Black Friday sales. Reformation Trust, 10 of Those, ChristianBook.com, Crossway, Banner of Truth, and many more are mentioned and discussed. Used books? Why not? Ministries that also sell books? Yes! If you’re looking for good books, this episode is for you. Listen to this episode wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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What are the Elements of Liturgy?

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When it comes to a Sunday morning service, what are the kinds of aspects that find their way into the liturgy? There are elements that some churches do and others don’t. What’s necessary? What can be dropped? What should be added? What’s required for a biblical church service? These are the questions Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman discuss in this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. Subscribe and listen wherever you listen to podcasts, or listen here:

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Longing for Liturgy: What is Authentic?

Some might argue that high liturgy is a more authentic expression of faith and worship. Some might baulk at that assessment. What is authentic? In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman discuss high and low liturgy and where we can find authentic expression, or the lack thereof, in both. Subscribe wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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Longing for Liturgy: An Introduction

Generation Z and Generation Alpha are looking for an authentic expression of faith. Many of them believe they are finding that in churches with high liturgy. Most don’t even know what liturgy is. What is liturgy? Is it bad to be liturgical? Why have some been afraid of more structured, high liturgy? We’re starting a series that walks through a conversation about liturgy in the local church. Everyone has a liturgy. What’s yours? Subscribe and listen wherever you get podcasts, or listen here:

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Putting Discipleship into Practice

Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman finish up our “Dangerous Discipleship” series with a discussion about how they put discipleship into practice. They each share what they are doing to disciple others and offer additional ideas. There’s a discussion of Pilgrim’s Progress, men’s groups, and much more. Listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted wherever you get podcasts or listen here:

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