About the SBC President (With Jonathan Howe)

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman chatted with Jonathan Howe about the ins and outs of the Southern Baptist Convention President. What is the SBC President’s role and responsibility? How is the president nominated and elected? What are the terms and term limits? Who is the SBC President responsible to? What about all the other president roles in the SBC? What about the Pastor’s Conference President? What about the intent to nominate Voddie Baucham for the Pastor’s Conference President? What are the rules of the Pastor’s Conference? Bryan had tons of questions for Jonathan and he answered them all. Then Jonathan shared how a filibuster circus can happen at the Southern Baptist Convention Annual Meeting.

Jonathan Howe is the Vice President of Communication for the SBC Executive Committee and co-host of SBC This Week.

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Building Healthy Churches: Corporate Worship

Join Josiah Walker, Bryan Catherman, and their guest Mark Whitaker as they discuss the new 9Marks Building Healthy Churches book, Corporate Worship: How the Church Gathers God’s People by Matt Merker. This book looks at the act of corporate worship on a Sunday morning, through the lens of the local church. Mark Whitaker, a worship pastor at Hebron Baptist Church, helps us know why we should read this book and what it brings to the table. You can listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted wherever you listen to your favorite podcast or listen here:

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Building Healthy Churches: Missions

Join Bryan Catherman, Josiah Walker, and Mark Whitaker as they discuss the 9Marks Building Healthy Churches book, Missions: How the Local Church Goes Global by Andy Johnson. This episode is part of our podcast series called Building Healthy Church, a series through the 9Marks collection of books. Listen to this episode wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts or listen here:

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Who Were the Moravians?

Join Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman as they chat with Mark Whitaker about the Moravians and their mission-sending capacity. Mark is completing his doctoral studies focused on the Moravians and has a lot to share. It’s likely that you’ve heard of the Moravians but know little about them. In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, we learn a lot about the Moravians and we get to know Mark Whitaker better. Find the podcast wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts or listen here:

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SBU: The Charles Simeon Trust

Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman interviewed Robert Kinney and Jeremy Meeks from The Charles Simeon Trust. The Charles Simeon Trust exists to help biblical expositors preach better. They have on-line courses, workshops and the Chicago Course on preaching. They also host a podcast called “Preachers Talk” in partnership with 9Marks. In this episode, the guys discussed the programs of The Charles Simeon Trust as well as the heart behind the ministry and a little about how it works. Listen to this episode wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts or use the player here:

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Palm Sunday is About the King

"That's not right!" my daughter blurted out while I was reading Mark 11 to her. She ran to her room and back, flipping through the pages of one of her children's Bibles. "See," she said. "They didn't put the palm branches on the road; they waved them in the air like pom-poms."

Mark 11:8 set this emotional concern into motion. The verse reads, "Many people spread their clothes on the road, and others spread leafy branches cut from the fields" (CSB). In that passage, the citizens put their clothes and the branches on the road for Jesus' donkey to walk on like a red carpet. They were honoring the king. Matthew 21:8 says the same thing. Luke 19:36 says they spread their clothes on the road but doesn't mention the branches. John 12:13 says they took palm branches and went out to meet Jesus. It doesn't tell if they waved them or put them on the ground, but given the testimony of Mark and Matthew, they likely laid them on the road.

At that moment, my daughter desperately wanted her children's Bible with pictures of people waving the palm branches to be correct. That's what tradition had painted in her mind, but that picture doesn't accurately reflect the biblical moment. And most of us have a portrait of Palm Sunday like my daughter's painted in our traditions too.

Too often, we miss the majesty of the biblical story for the palm branches. Jesus is the fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9 which says, "Look, your King is coming to you; he is righteous and victorious, humble and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey." Note the crowd's boldness--albeit fleeting, but still profound brass. In front of Pilate, the Roman Governor, and King Herod, the masses shouted these words to Jesus: "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord -- the King of Israel!" (John 12:13). Indeed, they believed Jesus was coming to overthrow those leaders, and in ways more profound than they ever could have imagined, Jesus did. The focus of the story is not the donkey. It's not the coats on the road. And it's not the palm branches.

The palm branches are much like the towel and bowl Jesus used to wash his disciples' feet (John 13:1-20). They are props in a story full of significance and meaning. However, the context helps us get beyond tradition to the applicable purpose.

When Jesus got up to wash the disciple's feet, it wasn't an out-of-the-ordinary ceremony. It was customary that the lowly servants washed guests' feet because sandaled-feet got gross on the dirty roads. And because they didn't sit on chairs but instead reclined like a family on a picnic blanket, their feet were not hidden under a table. The shocking moment was not that Jesus did a special ceremony but that the divine Lord of Earth and Heaven did the task of a low servant. When Jesus explained that he is our example, he called his disciples to humble themselves and serve others, even in the lowest of jobs.

Parading around waving palms is much like hosting a foot-washing service. It's not inherently a bad thing to do, but it might cause people to miss the point of the biblical account. Eyes might note the palms while missing the King of Kings.

When the people put their clothing and palm branches out before Jesus, it was like rolling out the red carpet for their King. They were honoring Jesus and humbling themselves before their King. Sadly, those same people completely changed their minds less than a week later when they yelled, "Crucify him! Crucify him!" (Matthew 27:22-24). I wonder if there were still pieces of palm branches in the streets while Jesus was being led from the garden to the garrison and then from the courts to the cross?

When teaching the Bible, it can be dangerous to say, "be like those people." Be like David, except not when he had an affair, killed a man to cover it up, raised terrible kids, or counted his army to marvel at his own kingdom. Be like the people crying "Hosanna!" in the streets and laying coats and palms at Jesus' feet, but don't be like them when they demanded the thorn-crowned King of the Jews be crucified. Instead, seek to understand the principle of the Scripture and live by that. Seek to see King Jesus as the central figure and the entire point of Palm Sunday. See King Jesus as the better David, the perfect King to sit on the throne forever.

Rather than having a foot-washing ceremony, seek ways to humble yourself and serve others often. And rather than waving a palm branch around in the air like a pom-pom, think about how you can usher Jesus into your life as your King. Does your worship honor your King? Does your obedience to the King show the world you are a citizen of Jesus' Kingdom? How can you surrender your own kingdom construction to build our Lord's Kingdom? How can you metaphorically roll out the red carpet for King Jesus this Palm Sunday?

This King, our King, went to a Roman cross in your place. He hung naked on a cross between two criminals. Mocked and scorned, he died. Of course, you weren't facing a sentence of Roman punishment. No. You and your sins were before the judgment of a holy God, and the penalty was an eternal death sentence. But Jesus didn't die because they called him King in the streets a week before. He didn't even die because they nailed him to a cross. Our King died under the crushing wrath of judgment on sin. If you profess faith in Jesus Christ and obey him as your King, he has traded his righteousness for your sin, and Jesus mortified your sin on the cross. Then on the third day, he left the grave. Your sin stayed there. This is why we celebrate Easter. And for the Christian, every day is Easter.

Is Jesus your King?

An Oversimplified Summary of Reformed and Free-Will Theology

Reformation Wall.  Statues of John Calvin, William Farel, Théodore de Bèze, and John Knox.

As men and women study salvation, they develop specific ideas about humanity, sin, and why God saves. They also gain ideas about how it works and in what order it plays out. The $.95 word for this area of theology is soteriology, meaning the study of salvation.

Within soteriology, people understand salvation in two main areas or camps. One is called the free-will or Arminian camp. The other is called Calvinist or reformed. This post is an over-simplified summary about the topic of reformed theology. The goal is simply to offer some starting places so you an begin your own journey.

A Brief History:
Jacob Arminius (1560-1609) and John Calvin (1509-1564) were theologians who taught soteriology. After Arminius died, some of his students called the Remonstrance circulated a position of salvation with 5 points or "heads." A synod (or council) in Dort was convened (1618-1619). They determined that the 5 points of the Remonstrance were unbiblical, and they edited the points to make them biblical. Today, those points are called the 5 points of Calvinism.

What's the Issue? The Order of Salvation:
At the center of the differences is the order of salvation, that is, the order of what happens when God saves us. Both the reformed and the free-will camps agree on all ten parts of salvation. They disagree on the order. But the way we order salvation determines how we understand God, man, and how God works.

Here's the Order of Salvation from a Reformed perspective (somewhat like Grudem’s presentation):

  1. Election (God choosing who will be saved)

  2. The Gospel Call (the presentation of the gospel and call to believe)

  3. Regeneration (being born again, having the heart changed)

  4. Conversion

  5. Justification (having a proper legal standing before God)

  6. Adoption (being made a child of God)

  7. Sanctification (learning how to live by God's instruction)

  8. Perseverance (being carried to completion in salvation)

  9. Death

  10. Glorification (getting a redeemed resurrected body)

Here's the Order of Salvation from a Free-Will perspective:

  1. The Gospel Call

  2. Conversion

  3. Election

  4. Regeneration

  5. Justification

  6. Adoption

  7. Sanctification

  8. Perseverance

  9. Death

  10. Glorification

Notice that the Order of Salvation differs in the first four steps. These positions argue a biblical understanding and depend on a specific interpretation of Scripture. Both cannot be correct. It's not that both positions are right. Either one is right and one is wrong, both are wrong, or there may be some right things and some wrong things.

The Reformed position argues that time is part of creation and God exists outside of time. He can see the beginning and the end simultaneously and he as at the beginning and end simultaneously, which is how we know prophecy is accurate. God chose who he would save before creating the world; thus, election comes first. Then the universal gospel call goes out to the world and is available to everyone. However, only those who are regenerated (eyes and ears made open and a new heart given) will respond favorably to the gospel call. Because they now see God correctly, they convert by placing their faith in God and repenting.

The Free Will position argues that God is bound by time but can see into the future, so prophecy is still accurate. The gospel call goes out to everyone worldwide. The person decides if they will answer the call. God then elects (or chooses) the person, seeing that the person first chose God, unhindered by any outside influence by God but possibly influenced away by Satan. (Technically, God did this in the past after looking down the corridors of time to see if Satan would not snatch the person away and that the person would choose God first. If it worked out, then God chose the person.) After the person converts to God, God opens up the eyes and ears and gives the person a new heart. 

Misunderstandings:
Sometimes, a misunderstanding happens when it comes to the need for evangelism. Some free-will people argue that reformed people do not care about evangelism or mission. But remember that the gospel call is one of the steps of the Order of Salvation. That call is made by believers preaching or sharing the gospel. (Sadly, some hyper-reformed people don't do evangelism, but that's not the theology.)

At other times, a misunderstanding happens when reformed people argue that free-will people do not know and study their Bible well. This is also false. Some serious, respected theologians knew the Bible exceptionally well and came to free-will conclusions. The churches in reformed positions often hold high views about expository preaching, but this view is not exclusive to either camp. (Sadly, some hyper-free-will people take an over-realized position about grace and don't hold a high view of the entire Bible or the preached Word, but that's not the theology.)

Sometimes people assume that reformed people are stodgy, grumpy jerks. This is sad because being saved by God is no reason to be grumpy. Christians (in both camps) should be the happiest, joy-filled people on earth. Some reformed people are grim, but that's not part of the theology. Some reformed people think it's their job to fight people and culture, but some free-will people do too.

Sometimes people believe that free-will people are egalitarian or liberal. This is not a part of the theology. You can find egalitarians and complementaries and liberals and conservatives in both camps.

Sometimes people say that reformed people (Calvinists) are not saved. Other times people say that free-will people (Arminians) are not saved. Our faith in Jesus Christ determines our salvation. Repenting from your ways and believing that Jesus is who he says he is and calling him Lord (letting him call all the shots) is how you get saved, no matter what you believe about the order of how it happens.

What Do We Do With This?
J.I. Packer once pointed out that if we ever pray and ask God to save someone, we've asked God to violate that person's free-will, and we're thinking like a reformed person. On the other hand, if we've ever felt like we're not skilled enough or not convincing enough when we share the gospel, we're thinking like a free-will person.

This debate is nothing to get worried about. Do your best to let the Bible lead you in your convictions at the end of the day. Continue to share the gospel. Continue to follow the Lord. And don't get too worried or worked up about how God saves people.

Were the Denominations Camp:
Some entire denominations go one way or the other. The Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed, and Lutherans hold the reformed view. Most Anglicans are reformed, but not all. The Methodists, Free-Will Baptists, Assemblies of God, Calvary Chapel, Christian Missionary Alliance, and Church of God are free-will. Most Four Square churches and nearly all the pentecostal and charismatic denominations lean free will. The EV Free and most Baptist denominations can be reformed or free will. The Southern Baptists make room for both. (Jared Jenkins and I recorded a podcast in 2012 or 2013 about Calvinism in the Southern Baptist Convention, in which we explained the two camps and how we work together. You can listen to that here.)

Notable preachers and/or authors who hold to a reformed theology:
Augustine
Martin Luther
John Calvin
John Knox
John Bunyan
John Newton
Issac Watts
George Whitfield
Charles Spurgeon
BB Warfield
J. Gresham Machen
Martin Lloyd-Jones
A. W. Pink
Francis Shaeffer
J.I. Packer
RC Sproul
Alistair Begg
John Piper
D.A. Carson
Wayne Grudem
Tim Keller
Chuck Swindoll
Matt Chandler
J.D. Greear
Jen Wilkin
Joni Eareckson Tada
Susan Hunt
Nancy Guthrie
Gloria Furman
Jackie Hill Perry
Rosaria Butterfield

Notable preachers and/or authors who hold to a free-will theology:
Jacobus Arminius
John Goodwin
William Laud
Charles Wesley
John Wesley
Charles Ryrie
D.L. Moody
Oswald Chambers
C.S. Lewis
A.W. Tozer
E.M Bounds
Billy Graham
J. Vernon McGee
Howard Hendricks
Roger E. Olson
Grant Osborne
Gordon Fee
Norm Giesler
Jerry Falwell
James Dobson
Jeff Iorg
Ray Comfort
Mildred Wynkoop
Aimee Semple McPherson
June Hesterly
Santy Macintost
Lysa Terkeusrt

Building Heathy Churches: Prayer

Join Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman as they discuss John Onwuchekwa’s 9Marks book, Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church. This book is part of a 9Marks series called, Building Healthy Churches. Our podcast series caries the same name. In this episode, the guys look at the high and low marks of the book and share their thoughts. Listen to the episode here:

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Building Healthy Churches: Discipling

Join Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker as they discuss Mark Dever’s Book, Discipling: How to Help Others Follow Christ. This episode is part of a series called Building Healthy Churches. This series goes through the 9Marks Building Healthy Churches series. If you’re interested, you can purchase the book here. Listen this this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted:

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We've Made an Update to the "Salty Believer Unscripted" Podcast!

SaltyBeliever.com started in January, 2010. Two years later we added a podcast. After 454 episodes, we finally had to make a change to the way to distribute the podcast. Technology has changed to the point that an updated was needed.

If you keep up with our episodes, you probably won’t notice any change (other than the 3 episodes that posted today, ahead of schedule). If you were behind, some podcast apps won’t show the episodes posted before today. Some apps will still show those episodes. It just depends on the app you used to listen to the podcast. It may take some apps a little time to get up to speed with the change.

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Mission Foundations: Psalm 106:23

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Josiah Walker, Bryan Catherman, and Robbie the Intern (Robbie Tschorn) discuss Psalm 106:23 and prayer. This episode is part of a series that’s exploring Scripture that shows us God’s plan for missions, church planting, personal evangelism, and gospel proclamation. The series is called “Mission Foundations” and you can listen to this episode here:

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Mission Foundations: Mark 4:26-29

Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker are starting a new series called, “Mission Foundations.” In this series, they aim to examine significant Scripture that helps us better understand God’s plan for mission, church planting, personal evangelism, and gospel proclamation. The first episode looks at faithfulness in Mark 4:26-29. Listen to this episode here:

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Tools for Your Devotional Time

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman discuss the tools they use for their personal study, devotional, and quiet time with the Lord, other than the Bible. These tools, to include books, magazines, devotional materials, apps, journals, etc., may be things you can use to enhance or improve your devotional time with God. If you have tools you like, we’d love to hear from you. Listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted here:

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Throwback Thursday for Saint Patrick's Day!

Many years ago, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman hosted a Salty Believer Unscripted series called “Lessons from Church History.” One of those episodes discussed Patrick (AKA Saint Patrick) and also the Puritans. In this episode, they discussed who Patrick really was. He wan’t Irish. He was a slave of the people of Ireland who escaped and then returned to Ireland as a missionary. He didn’t removed the snakes—that’s legend. But Patrick was a remarkable missionary and we can learn some wonderful lessons from Patrick.

They also discuss the Puritans.

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Lessons from Church History
-- Part 1: Athanasius and Lady Jane Grey audio
-- Part 2: Patrick and the Puritans audio
-- Part 3: Jan Hus and Charles Spurgeon audio
-- Part 4: Conrad Grabel, George Blourock, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer audio
-- Part 5: Polycarp and John Chrysostom audio

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Building Healthy Churches: "Church Elders" by Jeramie Rinne

Join Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman as they discuss the 9Marks book, Church Elders: How to Shepherd God’s People Like Jesus by Jeramie Rinne. This book is part of a larger series of 9Marks books called Building Healthy Churches and this episode is part of a podcast series also called Building Healthy Churches. You can listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted here:

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Building Healthy Churches: "Church Discipline" by Jonathan Leeman

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman and Josiah Walker discuss Jonathan Leeman’s book, Church Discipline: How the Church Protects the Name of Jesus (Crossway, 2012). This book is part of a 9Marks series called Building Healthy Churches and this podcast is part of an ongoing series of the same name.

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An Oversimplified Summary of End Times Positions

A reoccurring theme of the Bible is people missing the work, truth, or coming of Jesus. For example, Genesis 6-8 tells the story of the flood. Let us not forget that this narrative speaks of a worldwide judgment where God only saved eight people. When we see images of the ark, we should remember the Lord's grace and realize that if we were there, we would have been among the drowned bodies.

Another example is the first coming of Jesus. How many people read the prophesies and promises and worshiped Jesus at his birth? Very, very few. We would have been among those who got it wrong if we were there. This should remind us to be humble and realize that we'll likely get the details of Jesus' second coming wrong too.

Or what about Palm Sunday? (see Matthew 21:1-11, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:28-44, and John 12:12-19). People cut palm branches and laid them under the donkey's feet like a red carpet. They were shouting "Hosanna!" Less than a week later, the same people shouted, "Crucify Him!" Here, the picture is about selfish desires for the wrong king, completely missing the prophecies and promises, continuing the same theme. Jesus wept over them when he saw the city. Every time I see people waving palm branches in the air on Palm Sunday (not even laying them at the feet of Jesus' donkey), I can't help but also see those same people shouting, "Crucify Him!" It's a challenge for us all. Are we like the disciples at the death and burial of Jesus, or are we like the selfish, shouting people? If we were there, we'd probably have cut our branches and laid them in the road and then wanted to crucify Jesus later that week. Praise the Lord for his grace in our misunderstandings!

These examples serve to remind us that it's easy to get it wrong. Just as so many got it wrong at Jesus' first coming, so many will get it wrong at his second coming. Let us hold to our eschatology (study of end-times) with humility.

With this in mind, where do we begin with a study of end times.

There are multiple views and many terms within the study of the end times (eschatology). Many passages get used in the discussion. I hope to offer some simple definitions and some of the Scriptures in question regarding the timing and nature of rapture within the various arguments involving a rapture. I encourage that God's Word drive your convictions.

Millennium is the word that refers to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus mentioned in Revelation 20:2-3. There are three significant views within the Church regarding when this 1,000-year reign happens.

The first view is called Amillennialism. "A" in this word means none. This view holds that there is not a 1,000-year literal reign. In this view, Revelation 20:1-10 is happening right now. Proponents of this view understand Matthew 28:18 to mean Jesus has the authority of his Kingdom with nothing left to happen before Christ's return and the eternal state. Some Amillennialists believe Christ could return at any moment, while others think there are still signs to be fulfilled before Jesus' return.

The second view is Postmillennialism. "Post" means after. The idea here is that Jesus' earthly return will happen after a millennial period, although not necessarily a literal 1,000 years. Postmillennialists hold that the gospel will advance more and more, and the world will become more and more Christian, thus ushering in the reign of Christ. At some point, Jesus will make his earthly return, there will be judgment, and the eternal state will begin.  Most Postmillennialist do not hold that Jesus' return could be at any moment as much work still needs to happen. 

The third view is called Premillennialism. "Pre" means before. Premillennialists hold that Jesus will return before his 1,000-year reign. Some believe it's a literal 1,000 years, while others think it's simply a long time. All the believers who died before Jesus' return and all those living at the time of Christ's return will be united with their resurrected bodies and reign with Jesus. During these 1,000 years, Satan will be bound. In the end, he will be released. All who remain alive but unconverted will join with Satan for a final battle against God and his people, called Armageddon. This understanding comes mainly from Revelation 20:1-10.

There are two sub-positions within Premillennialism. The first (which Grudem contents has the longest history among the millennial positions) is called Classic or Historical Premillennialism. In this view, there will be a tremendous tribulation before the return of Jesus. The believers will be God's ambassadors and witnesses through this tribulation period.  Jesus could return at any moment. 

The second sub-position within Premillennialism gained tremendous popularity in the 19th and 20th Centuries. This position is called Pretribulational Premillennialism or Dispensational Premillennialism. This view holds that Jesus' second return will come in two parts. The first part will be a secret return part-way to earth but not entirely. Citing 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, this position maintains that Jesus will snatch up all the believers from the earth for seven years, thus saving them from enduring the great tribulation. At the end of seven years, Jesus will return all the way to the earth, where he will begin his 1,000-reign.  Most who hold this view believe that Jesus could come at any moment to get his people and then the world will see him seven years after that. 

Another distinction between Historical Premillennialism and Dispensational Premillennialism is the relationship between the Church and Israel. Historical Premillennialists hold that all true believers in the Old and New Testaments are the children of Abraham. Gentiles are graphed into the people of God, or symbolically the people of Israel. Dispensational Premillennialists draw a sharp distinction between Israel and the Church. They contend that God works differently in different times or "dispensations." In the Old Testament, salvation was being a part of the nation of Israel, while in the New Testament, salvation comes from faith in Jesus. Dispensational Premillennialists believe the Church will be removed from the world before a large awaking of the Jewish people.

Hearing Sermons Better: "Applying the Sermon"

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman, Josiah Walker, and Robbie Tschorn discuss the importance of apply the sermon and doing it now. They discuss how to see the application in the sermon and how to get the most out of it. Listen to this episode, “Applying the Sermon” here:

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SBU: "Following the Argument"

Learning to follow the argument of the sermon will help us hear sermons better. In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman, Josiah Walker, and Robbie Tschorn discuss the argument of the sermon. Listen to this episode, “Following the Argument” here:

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SBU: "Examples of Hearing Sermons Better"

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman, Josiah Walker, and Robbie Tschorn share examples of times when sermons drilled into their souls. They heard them well. What caused it? How was it that they could listen to these sermons well? Hopefully their examples will help you. Listen to this episode, “Examples of Hearing Sermons Better” here:

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