"Hearing the Voice of God" with Alex Absalom

Alex and Hannah Absalom have finished the first book in their new series, “The Naturally Supernatural Life.” The book is called Hearing the Voice of God. Alex joined Bryan Catherman to discuss his book on Salty Believer Unscripted. Listen to their discussion here:

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Inside the UISBC Podcast Series

Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins (co-hosts of “Salty Believer Unscripted”) are both pastors of churches in the Utah-Idaho Southern Baptist Convention. Yes, they’re Southern Baptist in Salt Lake. In 2019, they also served as elected officer within the convention, giving them a unique perspective that they thought would be worth sharing. Salty Believer Unscripted was the outlet.

Starting at the beginning of the year, had a series that offered an occasional episode. Each episode served to discuss a different aspect of the convention and interviewed various leaders within the UISBC. After the 2019 Annual Meeting, they recorded the conclusion of the series.

Listen to every episode of our, “Inside the Utah-Idaho Southern Baptist Convention” series here:

Inside the UISBC
— An Introduction of the SBC and UISBC audio
— Planning the Annual Meeting audio
— An Overview of the SBC 2019 Annual Meeting audio
— What does the UISBC President Do? (with Matt McGukin) audio
— Why the UISBC (with Rob Lee, Travis Best, Gary Brown, and Cory Hodges) audio
— Recapping the 2019 Annual Meeting audio

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Every Pastor's 180 Days with Charles Stone

Charles Stone joined Bryan Catherman to discuss Stones’ newest book, Every Pastor’s First 180 Days: How to Start and Stay Strong in a New Church Job. In this podcast, they discussed the importance of on-boarding and having a strategic plan for success. Exploring Scripture, Stone found principles to help pastors get off on the right foot. Pastoring is not easy but there’s no reason to make it more difficult. While not the same as the first 100 days in the corporate world, Stone also explored these aspects of the corporate world to see if there may be helpful lessons. And his work wouldn’t be complete without lessons from his previous books, to include tools from neurological leadership and the spiritual formation of self-awareness and mindfulness. Listen to Charles Stone’s interview with Bryan Catherman here:

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Al Mohler on Church Planting in the West

In 2014, we got to sit with Dr. Albert Mohler. The topic of discussion was church planting in the West. He pointed out that the culture of America is changing at a rapid pace and in the cross hairs is cultural-Christianity.  "This is a pretty expensive turn," said Mohler in a discussion for Salty Believer Unscripted; "but it really doesn't help us to argue as to whether it's good or bad because we don't get to choose our times." 

Mohler spoke at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah and then addressed area pastors at First Baptist Church of Provo.  Preaching from the first chapter of First Peter, Mohler made a strong case that we are seeing some major cultural shifts which will impact the American church but the elect exiles need not be surprised. "The question is," he later told us, "is now what do we do?  What does faithfulness require us to do?"

It would seem his words ring more true today than they did just a few years ago.   

Dr. Mohler record a Salt Believer Unscripted podcast dealing with the question: What does church planting look like in light of the coming cultural shifts? 

We discussed the need for less infrastructure, more flexibility, and a willingness to take less for granted.  He also argued for a little different approach by dropping the expectations on the other side of our present models.  Stained-glassed windows, pipe organs, paid staff, and programs (among many other things) may have to change.  Things may look a bit different in the future.  In addition, I was encouraged and concerned by his charge that Christians in the Pacific North-West may have a responsibility to help other Christians around the nation as the "iceberg melts."  It seems that we're closer to the front edge of these changes (especially Seattle and in the heart of Mormondom) than are believers in other parts of the nation. 

"You are on the cutting edge of what America is going to look more like," Mohler stated.  He continued, "The fact the evangelicals are in a minority and have been for a very long time, virtually from the beginning of Utah as a territory, means you're on the cutting edge as a laboratory of what Christians in the rest of America are going to wake up and find. I'm not asking you to rejoice in every particular; I am asking you to consider the fact that the Lord has giving you the stewardship here to help the rest of the Church to figure these things out."

We were extremely thankful for the time Dr. Mohler gave us to discuss church planting on the front edge of these changes.  If you'd like to listen to our Salty Believer Unscripted discussion with him, you can find it here.

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Inside the UISBC: Recapping the Annual Meeting

We’ve been walking through the activities and events of the Utah-Idaho Southern Baptist Convention in a series called, “Inside the UISBC.” It’s been a journey to better understand the workings and value of the convention. In this episode, Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins recap the annual meeting. How did it go? What was worth noting? And by ending with the annual meeting, they’ve brought the year to a close. You can listen to “Recapping the Annual Meeting” here:

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Unscripted: "Context is Key"

The Old Testament is about Jesus. We can and should see Christ throughout the Old Testament. In our series, “It’s All About Jesus,” Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins are exploring how we find, see, and understand Jesus in the Old Testament. Looking at three sections of Scripture they discuss one of the most important tools in seeing Christ in the Hebrew Bible— context. Context is key to unlocking what we often miss. Listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, “Context is Key” here:

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Unscripted: "The Promise" (Genesis 12:1-3)

There’s a powerful thread or string running through the entire Bible. Everything else in there hooks to that string. They clip on to the most important theme of them all. It’s Jesus. That running thread is Jesus. The story of the Bible is about the redemptive history and Jesus is the hero of the Bible. It’s all about Jesus. In this series, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman look at Genesis 12:1-3 to see Jesus. Rather than just seeing what’s clipped on to the tread, they are looking at the tread itself and how it runs through these passages.

Listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, “The Promise” (Genesis 12:1-3) here:

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Life Connections Study Bible for Personal and Small Group Study

Since 1988, disciple-makers and small group leaders have been using the Serendipity Bible for Personal and Small Group study to help raise up disciples of Jesus Christ. With the help of this resource, it was easy to train up more small group leaders and disciple-makers. In its pages were opening questions, questions to drive conversation to consider Scripture, and application questions for every chapter of the Bible. And, if you’ve ever used it, you know it was great. But alas, it end up outdated and eventually it went out of print.

But it was not forgotten.

Thanks to the work of LifeWay folks like Trevin Wax and J.D. Green, Holman Bible Publishers has not only brought this gem back into the hands of small group leaders and disciple-makers, they’ve given it an update and an upgrade. It’s clean, the questions are updated, and they’ve added additional materials like study Bible notes. It’s called Life Connections Study Bible for Personal and Small Group Study and it’s better than ever.

This study Bible includes ready-made discussion and study questions for every chapter of the Bible. Some chapters include more than one study and set of questions. There’s an opening question (or ice breaker), some Scripture-driven questions for consideration, and some application questions, all based on the chapter in which the questions are found. Where appropriate, there are also questions for worship, group activities, and digging deeper in Bible study. Maps are included in the back and each biblical book as introductory information. There are chapter summaries. Along the bottom of every page are study notes to provide more information and an enhanced understanding of Scripture.

For those more inclined toward topical studies, there are 16 topical study courses, 60 life needs courses, and 200 Bible stories available for study. But what’s excellent about these additional studies is that they simply point to selected chapter studies in the Bible. Scripture is still the driving force behind every lesson and every study. For example, the topical study, “Significant Women of the Bible,” has 15 women listed in a 13-week study or 7 women listed for a 7-week study. Next to each lesson is the Scripture from where the lesson draws Truth and the page number where the questions for that chapter are found. A life needs study on sexuality points to specific chapters from which to draw the Texts and questions. Bonus: all the 60 life needs studies have beginner and advanced options and all of them depend on the Scripture with margin questions from the chapters.

It’s a study Bible, which means there’s also a Bible. The publisher used the Christian Standard Bible (CSB) translation to pair with this study Bible. If you’re not familiar with the CSB, it’s a readable, accurate translation of God’s Word developed by more than 100 scholars from 17 denominations.

This is an excellent resource for the Church.

Get a more information and a look at the Life Connections Study Bible For Personal and Small Group Study in this 8-minute video. Then, pick up yourself a copy wherever you buy your favorite books or follow this link to the listing on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2mYyIzO

New Unscripted Series -- It's All About Jesus: "Introduction"

The entire Bible is about Jesus. But how do we see Christ when the text is about building a tabernacle or numbering the people or going to war. Where is Jesus in the Old Testament? In this new series, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman will look at the Old Testament and point to Jesus. It’s all about Jesus! Listen to the introduction here:

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Podcast Discussion: "A Change of Affection" by Becket Cook

One of many difficult conversations in the Church today in found in the LGBTQ aspects of our changing society. These are challenging conversations that require more than surface-level thought and sensitivity. The Bible must dictate the actions of the Church and it’s worth much discussion. Becket Cook, a formerly gay man wrote a book sharing his story, conversion, and his thoughts on the conversation. Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman discuss the book on this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted. You can listen in here:

Purchase A Change of Affection: A Gay Man’s Incredible Story of Redemption wherever you buy your favorite books or follow this link to the Amazon listing.

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The Gospel or Nothing! -- Suicide

Suicide is a serious issue. Today, it’s a crisis in our country. It’s a topic that needs discussed, especially in light what the gospel says about hope and suicide. In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman discuss how we need to look at suicide in light of the truth of the gospel. Listen to this episode, “The Gospel of Nothing: The Gospel and Suicide” here:

If you are wrestling with the thought of suicide, please contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255.

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The Reluctant Witness by Don Everts

Don Everts' new book, The Reluctant Witness: Discovering the Delight of Spiritual Conversations (IVP, 2019)is a beautiful addition to the on-going conversation about personal evangelism. It’s also a solid work for the Church that’s called to engage with those who are far from Jesus (which is every local church, everywhere, as their part in the body of the universal Church). Everts is vulnerable in his examples, informative as he interprets the research, and helpful as he offers things to think about and some tips for engaging in spiritual conversations. This is a great book for personal reading but even better for a small group, book club, or church study.

The meat and potatoes of the book are the research from a combined project with the Barna Research Group and Lutheran Hour Ministries. In 1993, a study was conducted to understand spiritual conversations better. It was a robust project and extremely insightful. But what's more insightful is that they repeated the research 25-years later to look at the trends and changes. It is this 25-year project that forms the foundation for the book. Everts looks at all sorts of data and offers a cornucopia of insight.

Here's a short video look at the book:

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What is a Healthy Church? by Mark Dever

Mark Dever is known for his passion for healthy local churches. His ministry is marked by this passion. 9Marks, a para-church ministry he founded and leads, is all about teaching churches how to be healthy. Dever believes there are three essential marks that any healthy church must have and 6 more that are extremely important. Miss any of the three vital ones and there’s not much chance of getting the other 6 right. But when all nine marks are working in concert, even if not strongly, there’s a good possibility that a local church will be healthy and continuing on a path toward greater health.

Sadly, many churches in America are sick. An examination of most of them will likely reveal that one of the first three marks is missing. But if not one of the vital three, than there’s a good chance one of the other six is not treated as important and absent from the church.

In his book What is a Healthy Church? (Crossway, 2005), Dever explores why these marks are essential (the first 3), or at least important (the remaining 6). He examines the heart of the believer in regard to finding a church with these healthy marks and seeking a life that includes church health. Then, in the second half of this short book, Dever discusses each of the 9 marks of a healthy church.

This is not the only book or only place to explore these 9 marks with Mark Dever. He’s written other books, most notably, 9 Marks of a Healthy Church. The 9Marks ministry has also written booklets on each of the marks and the’ve produced scores of short videos. There’s also a Ligonier ministry series on the same topic. Dever hosts annual conferences focused on church health and he speaks about these 9 specific marks often. However, this little book serves as a easy introduction to the topic and a great overview. As an added bonus, it’s an encouraging, fun read.

Here’s a video recommendation for What is a Healthy Church?:

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Is Worshiping Church Size a Silent False-Gospel? Yeah, Probably.

We American Christians are going to have a jolting shock when we arrive in paradise with Jesus. What a surprise when we finally learn that bigger doesn't always mean better, or more effective.

There it was again, the denomination’s "best" churches list. Only this time, they replaced the word "best" with the words, "most effective." The headline read, "Tracking the fastest growing churches gives us a glimpse into some of the most effective ministry work in America."

How do we measure this?

In the cast of the article, the speed at which the crowd got bigger each week was king. What's more "effective"? A church in a community of 10,000,000 people baptizing 400 people or the only church, a church-plant in fact, baptizing 390 people in a population of 400? (This isn't any specific situation, but one for us to consider.)

What about the church in say, Provo, Utah where .5% of the population is evangelical Christian, and nearly everyone else is Mormon? Resources are very limited, seminary interns in short supply, and nearly zero churches or church buildings. It's incredible when they plant another church or two. It's remarkable when they start another worship service in another language to reach new refugees. But how do we compare this church with a church in Texas or Georgia that grew from 20,000 to 25,000 attendees on a Sunday? I suspect we're not seeing these situations with the same eyes God sees these two churches. Both are worth praising the Lord for, but what are we doing comparing the different ways God's working with "best" and "most effective" lists? Something might be missing. Something might be wrong. And who are we to compare the various things God is doing in various places in a way that puts one on the top of a “hey look at us” list?

What do we do with the underground house-church in a hostile Muslim country where 80% of the 32 members have served time in jail for their faith? The church might have tripled in size except 67 new converts were martyred this year. (Again, this is not any specific church but an example for us to think about.)

Some time ago, I was sitting in a training meeting with a popular seminary-trained author-consultant. He kept saying, "We've looked at the best churches in the world, and this is what they're doing." When asked which churches, he was quick to say the top in size. And all of them located in the American Bible Belt. During the break, he and I were talking. I suggested that he consider calling those churches the biggest (or larger) rather than the best. Size might be a fact, but best is a qualitative statement that depends on what we decide to measure. He looked at me like I had just had a second nose emerge above my eyebrows. It was as if there were no other possible qualifiers.

When I read Hebrews 11, I wonder what the Pharisees would think of the list. It's the hall of faith. It's a "best" list, made by God. But it's full of foreigners, last born, women, and sinners. There's a prostitute in the list, for crying out loud! And some of these folks didn’t get but one or two verses in the entire Bible. Yet, that’s God’s list. It doesn’t look like God’s using the same criteria we might use if we made a “Most Faithful Christians of 2019” list. I wonder if we're thinking about the "best" and "most effective" churches in the way God thinks? I wonder.

Inside the UISBC: Why Get Involved?

Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman sat down with Cory Hodges, Travis Best, Gary Brown, Matt McGukin, and Rob Lee to discuss the UISBC and why there’s value in getting involved. They discussed some things that happen and the various meetings throughout the year and how people can get into opportunities for leadership. Even in you’re not in Utah or Idaho or even Southern Baptist, there’s a lot of great information here and it was a great discussion. Listen to this special episode of Salty Believer Unscripted here:

You can find more info about the UISBC Annual Meeting and Pastor’s Conference by visiting the UISBC website. Here’s more about the Idea’s Lunch too:

Register for the Ideas Lunch here.

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Unscripted: "The Gospel and Politics"

On this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins explore how the gospel should inform our thinking and actions when it comes to politics. Our hope should not rest in politics, but in Christ. But what does that look like, practically? That’s the topic of our series, “The Gospel or Nothing!” and we drill down into that in this episode. Listen to “The Gospel and Politics” here:

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Unscripted: Suffering and Medical Challenges

How does the gospel of Jesus Christ speak into suffering and medical challenges? Guest, Matt McGukin join us on Salty Believer Unscripted to discuss how the gospel impacts life and decisions in the think of suffering and medical challenges. It would be easy to rest and wallow in brokeness but Jesus makes a way for us to find freedom, even in suffering. Bryan Catherman chats with Matt about how the gospel transforms his situation and thinking in all of this family’s medical challenges. Listen to this episode in our series “The Gospel of Nothing!” This episode is titled, “Suffering and Medical Challenges,” and you can listen by following the link, using the player below, or listening wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Unscripted: "What Does the UISBC President Do?"

Matt McGukin is the pastor of Calvary Baptist Church in Idaho Falls, Idaho. He’s also serving his second term as the President of the Utah-Idaho Southern Baptist Convention (UISBC). It’s volunteer role, but what does the President of the Convention do? What is this position responsible for? What’s it like? What’s involved? How much time does it take? What’s Matt think about it?

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman continues in our broken series, “Inside the UISBC” as he chats with Matt McGukin on the topic of the role and responsibility of the UISBC President. Chances are good that this podcast might clear up some wrong thinking or stereotypical thinking about this position and role. Listen to “What Does the UISBC President Do?” here:

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What People are Saying about The Approved Workman

The Approved Workman: Developing Faithful Disciples into Tested Leaders has been available for a while. Pastors, seminary professors, and denominational leaders have looked at the book as a training tool. A couple churches have adopted it has their plan for developing interns, future pastors, missionaries, and church planters. An upcoming pastor’s conference has selected this book to give to all the attending pastors. And Bryan continues to use it to disciple and train up a co-vocational pastor.

What are people saying at The Approved Workman?

"I recommend this work by Dr. Catherman as a training and resourcing tool for anyone wanting to go through ministry training in an internship format. While living and working in Salt Lake City, I was blessed to get to know Dr. Catherman, learn about him as a person, experience his heart for the lost, and see his desire for discipleship grow over the years. I have seen Dr. Catherman train and lead interns first-hand and cannot recommend him, or this resource, highly enough. Thanks be to God for leading him to write this material and make it available."

Travis S. Kerns, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Apologetics and World Religions
Roy Fish School of Evangelism & Missions, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

"The Christian life unfolds on the canvas of conversation. This resource is full of conversation starters, topics, and guided experiences that are essential for expanding the knowledge and skills necessary for ministry success. Use this trench-tested resource as a conversation guide to build others up and pave a pathway for fruitful ministry."

Warren Haynes, D.Min
Author of Discipleship Uncomplicated

"I was a husband and father with a full-time job when I felt God's call to co-vocational ministry on my heart. My circumstances made going to a full-time seminary a difficult option for my family and me. Enter: The Approved Workman. This book has given me a clearly defined seminary-level road-map that I can utilize in a "boots-on-the-ground" environment with a qualified field-mentor to help keep me accountable. What an incredible resource for training up indigenous pastors!"

Josiah Walker
Co-Vocational Pastor (In Training)
Grocery Store General Manager and Store Director

"I was overjoyed to see this project in print! What a timely work that brings mentor and disciple together assisting in the process of raising up approved workmen for the church. The Approved Workman provides a great customizable roadmap for training lay leadership all the way to preparing for ordination."

Jared Jenkins, Ph.D. Candidate
Pastor of Missions and Discipleship, Risen Life Church

"The Approved Workman is a resource to address a critical need in the kingdom and especially in Utah in raising up laborers in the field. Bryan has put together a great resource to help church leaders disciple those considering the call to ministry and those seeking a deeper faith. The resources in the bibliography will help you in considering how to assist others in becoming an approved worker in the Kingdom. As he shares, this is a template that is just a starting spot that helps those wanting to assist others but have no plan for how to raise up multiplying disciples." 

Rob Lee, D.Min Candidate
Executive Director-Treasurer, Utah-Idaho Southern Baptist Convention

"For far too long, pastors have leaned on academic institutions and seminaries to do the work of training and raising up pastors when, in fact, the Scriptures make it clear that the primary responsibility ought to fall on the local church.  The Approved Workman gives us a valuable, flexible roadmap that is practical accessible and biblical so that pastors who desire to make disciples that in turn make more disciples may have some basic structure to facilitate disciple-making! What a thoroughly helpful resource!"

Scott Catoe
Pastor, Slater Baptist Church
Church Health Strategist, South Carolina Baptist Convention

"The call to follow Christ is also a call to make disciples by teaching, training, modeling, and mobilizing them to fulfill the Great Commission. Through years of on the ground training and learning, Dr. Catherman has developed a credible and practical guide full of resources to obey that call. The Approved Workman is holistic, reproducible, and adaptable for any lay leaders, pastors, or church planters who desire to effectively train and develop any disciple in their next step in following Jesus."

Brett Ricley
Pastor of Discipleship, The Mission Church

"Dr. Bryan Catherman has put together a tremendous resource for Pastors who are looking to raise up and train future leaders in the church. This book serves as a much-needed reminder that the primary task of Pastors is to equip the Saints for the work of the ministry. Have you ever wanted to personally disciple someone called into the ministry or the mission field, but didn’t know where to start? This book is a great tool to jumpstart the journey and even measure your progress along the way."

Matt McGukin
Pastor, Calvary Baptist Church
President of the Utah-Idaho Southern Baptist Convention

"Maybe pastors should stop and consider an alternative before immediately sending a prospect for ministry to Seminary. The Approved Workman by Bryan Catherman is a resource chalked with strategic markers to guide a pastor for ministry discipleship. Bryan, in his book, masterfully equips the trainer and his apprentice with tools that can open the doors for successful ministry. Seminary may still be an option down the road but pastor and student will be sure to benefit as a result of following Bryan’s blueprint for The Approved Workman."

Mike Clements, D.Min
Pastor, First Baptist Church, Floresville  

"Bryan Catherman has provided a needed and helpful resource to help churches and leaders raise up the next generation of leaders. The material is carefully biblical and intentionally flexible for users to fit specific contexts among Bible-believing churches, pastors, leaders, and learners."

Michael W. Waldrop, Ph.D.
Pastor, Desert Ridge Baptist Church
Former Associational Missions Director, Calhoun Baptist Association, Calhoun City, MS
2014 UISBC Pastors' Conference President

Unscripted: "When We Disagree About the Gospel"

On Salty Believer Unscripted, we’re talking about how the gospel should inform us about everything. But what happens when we have disagreements about what the Gospel is? What if we interpret the Bible differently? Why do Christians fight about the gospel? Is it possible that our arguments are more about our false escape plans our of our brokenness?

In this episode, Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman discuss gospel disagreements and how we should approach these disagreements. They include doctrinal differences, differences to approach, and even differences of false gospels. Listen to this episode, “What We Disagree About the Gospel” here:

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