Baptizing Infants?

As a baptist pastor, I've met with many people who were previously "baptized" as infants or small children but were considering if they should be baptized as a professing believer of Jesus Christ. I appreciate this question. Let us consider this matter.

The argument for pedobaptism (infant-baptism) goes like this: Colossians 2:11-12 argues that we were circumcised in a non-human circumcision, that is, a spiritual one when we were buried with Christ in baptism. Therefore, explains the pedobaptist, baptism is the new circumcision. Since the Old Covenant calls for all males to be circumcised on the 8th day, infants should be baptized. Besides, the argument suggests this is how children of believing families enter the covenant community of God. They suggest that it's not a sign that the child is a Christian but instead part of the Church (as a family member of a Christian). Furthermore, the pedobaptist points to Acts 16:31 and notes that it suggests that all his household was baptized and assumes this means there were babies in the house, and that they were baptized too.

In response to the pedobaptist position, we indeed should agree that baptism marks God's people who have died with Christ, just as circumcision marked God's people who were a part of the Nation of Israel. But they are not exactly alike, or baptism would still be circumcision. The Nation of Israel is not the Church. There is but only an illustration here, just as there is an illustration in 1 Peter 3:21-22.

Peter explains that baptism corresponds not to circumcision but to Noah and the flood. He then calls baptism "a pledge of a good conscience toward God," which sounds nothing like infant circumcision into citizenship in the nation of Israel. Nor is it possible for an infant to make such a pledge.

If baptism corresponds to the Old Testament covenant marked by circumcision on the 8th day, there is no provision for circumcising females, so there is no instruction or command for baptizing female infants. Doing so would be inconsistent with Scripture if we believe that infant baptism replaces infant circumcision.

One must also ask if the true Church can be made up of unbelievers? If infant circumcision of children to believing parents brings those children into the covenant family of God, is that family not the True Church or is belief not a prerequisite for adoption into God's family, i.e., the Church? And what happens when that child rejects God later in life? Often one says that life and profession is a confirmation of the baptism, but shouldn't the baptism be confirmation of repentance and belief?

Belief is a condition of salvation. Acts 16:31 says, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." Who must believe? One person the house and then by proxy every human living under that roof is also saved whether he or she believes? No. "But wait," the pedobaptist says, "babies are exempt." Why, and at what age do they not receive this exemption? And how do we know there were babies present? And is this not a call to the entire household to believe? Let's be sure we understand Acts 16:31 is saying and what it is not saying?

It is easy to see why parents would want their children to be baptized, especially if we mistakenly think that baptism is what saves someone. In Luther and Calvin's day, this idea was widely held. One could not be buried in the church cemetery if he or she wasn't a member, but to be buried outside the church cemetery was fearful because it might mean that one was destined for hell. Of course, parents want to hope for their child's salvation, but let us remember that salvation does not hinge upon baptism, where he or she is buried, or even the faith of the parents.  Salvation is through faith in Christ, by His grace.  

The Bible says we are saved by faith in Christ alone, through His grace alone. There is no proxy for this. Yet, baptizing an infant depends upon the parent's faith, serving as proxy faith until the child is old enough to have his or her faith apart from the parent's beliefs. That's antithetical to the New Testament.

What should a person do if he or she was baptized as a baby?

First, be grateful for your parents, who hoped for your salvation from the very start of your life. They might have had poor theology in this matter, but their hope was good.

Second, if you have made a profession of faith, that is, you repent and believe that you are a sinner in need of a savior and that Jesus Christ is both that Savior and your Lord, by all means, get baptized! The New Testament commands believer's baptism as an act of obedience to Christ and a public profession of the inward work Jesus has done and is doing in your life.

Third, be grateful and kind to pedobaptists. I do not believe that the Bible sufficiently supports their position, but neither do I think this misunderstanding means they are not Christians. Martin Luther preached a sermon titled "Beware of False Prophets" from Matthew 7:15-25. In this sermon, he argued that all who disagree with his position of pedobaptism are wolves in sheep's clothing and agents of the devil. While Luther is a hero of the faith, in this regard, we must reject his example and should show grace in this area of difference. Let us seek Scripture and ask the Lord to help us work it out together.

Fear Not! "The Pastoral Identity Crisis" (with Dr. Jeff Iorg)

The COVID-19/coronavirus pandemic has brought many things to the surface. A minor (or in some cases, major) identity crisis is for many pastors is among the new discoveries bobbing to the top. As churches are struggling to figure out how to operate during quarantine and shelter-in-place orders, the pastor must examine his role and fit. Comparison temptation is running high with most ministry operations temporarily moving to social media venues. Worry is increasing as we venture into the financial unknown. This trying season is exposing issues of identity that should be dealt with.

Dr. Jeff Iorg, President of Gateway Seminary and author of many books, joined us on Salty Believer Unscripted to discuss the identify, security, and calling of the pastor. The conversation looked specifically into some of the new things brought about by the pandemic. Listen to this episode, “The Pastoral Identity Crisis” (with Dr. Jeff Iorg) here:

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Fear Not! "Leading in Change" (with Dr. Jeff Iorg)

Sometimes we bring change and sometimes change is thrust upon us. Leading in either can be difficult, but leading when change is thrust upon us is especially challenging. Dr. Jeff Iorg, President of Gateway Seminary and author of Leading Major Change in Your Ministry joined Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins on Salty Believer Unscripted to share his insights about leading in change. Dr. Iorg led the team that transformed Golden Gate Baptist Seminary in San Fransisco to move to southern California and change the name while remaining fully operational. He has also served in denominal leadership through change and planted a church (which is almost defined by constantly managing change). Listen to this episode of our Fear Not! series, “Leading in Change” (with Dr. Jeff Iorg) here:

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Fear Not! "Historical Theology, Technology, and Crisis" (with Dr. Ryan Rindels)

We’ve been reading great quotes from Church history, but Dr. Ryan Rindels reminds us that technology has made the circumstances completely different. While there are thoughts and principles we can learn from the past, we would not be shepherding our flock well if we simply tried to apply those ideas from history to our circumstances without considering the different circumstances. But still, the past can do well to inform us about our future. Listen to this episode, “Historical Theology, Technology, and Crisis” (with Dr. Ryan Rindels) here:

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Fear Not! "Can the World Handle Mad Max?" (with Dr. Adam Groza)

There are thoughts bouncing around in our brains that have turned into conversations in the less public corners. COVID-19/coronavirus is bringing strange things to the surface. We’re thinking about conspiracy theories, numbers, police states, Machiavelli, rebellion, shame, group think, safety, and so much more. How do Christians respond with God’s Truth rather than going along with thoughts baked in fear of the unknown? How do pastors lead in the soup of this trying season?

Dr. Adam Groza (Vice President of Gateway Seminary and Professor at Cal Baptist) joined Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman for a podcast about his forthcoming book, Faith Wins: Overcoming a Crisis of Belief (New Hope, 2020). As soon as that episode ended and the recording light went off, a conversation came out that might have fit a scene from the 1980 film, “Mad Max.” Knowing that we’re not the only ones battling these ideas, we decided to hit record again and ask the question, how does a pastor lead in light of this undercurrent coming to the surface? Listen to this episode, “Can the World Handle Mad Max?” (with Dr. Adam Groza) here:

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Fear Not! "Serious Doubt and the Crisis of Faith" (with Dr. Adam Groza)

Dr. Adam Groza, Vice President of Enrollment and Student Services at Gateway Seminary and author of the forthcoming book Faith Wins: Overcoming a Crisis of Belief (New Hope, 2020) joined Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins to discuss doubt during a time like the COVID-19 pandemic. Doubt and a crisis of belief don’t only happen during trying times, but they do happen. In this episode, Dr. Groza shares some thoughts about why it might happen and what to do when we experience doubt. Listen to “Serious Doubt and the Crisis of Faith” (with Dr. Adam Groza) here:

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Fear Not! "Doctrine, Decisions, and COVID-19" (with Dr. Bobby Jamieson)

Should churches still try to meet or should they adhere to governmental guidance, directives, and mandates? Should we call our on-line streaming services a gathering of the church or is it something else? What about the Lord’s Supper; should we do that over Zoom? Bobby Jamieson joined Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman to discuss how doctrine should shape a church’s decisions always, to include during the coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic. Jamieson is the author of a few books, to include "Sound Doctrine: How a Church Grow’s in the Love and Holiness of God and Understanding the Lord’s Supper. He’s also an associate pastor at Capital Hill Baptist Church in Washington D.C. Listen to this episode in our Fear Not! series, “Doctrine, Decisions, and COVID-19” (with Bobby Jamieson):

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Building Healthy Churches: Sound Doctrine (with Dr. Bobby Jamieson)

Dr. Bobby Jamieson, author of Sound Doctrine: How a Church Grows in the Love and Holiness of God, spent some time talking with Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins about his book, among many other things. In addition, Jamieson is an associate pastor at Capital Hill Baptist Church and writes for both 9Marks and The Gospel Coalition.

This podcast is part of an ongoing monthly series through the 12 books of the 9Marks Building Healthy Churches series. Listen to this episode, “Sound Doctrine” here:

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Fear Not! "Lessons from History" (with Dr. Robert Caldwell)

Dr. Robert Caldwell (Professor of Church History at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary) joined us on Salty Believer Unscripted to discuss lessons from Church history that might help inform us about today’s coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic. Did you of Cyprian’s plague? It’s possible that up to 5,000 people were dying per day in a period around A.D. 250. Dr. Caldwell discussed how the Christians ran toward the problem to help and be a blessing rather than run away. We also discussed the possibility of a revival or awakening because of heightened thoughts toward spiritual things. Could we be headed toward a revival in the U.S? He deals with that question too. Listen to this episode, “Lessons from History” here:

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Fear Not! "Receiving the Streamed Sermon Well" (with Dr. Jason Allen)

As Pastors are scrambling to figure out how to preach streamed video sermons, are members of the local church thinking about how to receive streamed sermons as well as they could? That’s the the topic of conversation between Jared Jenkins, Bryan Catherman, and our guest, Dr. Jason Allen. How do we turn our living room and a recliners into an opportunity to rightly sit under the teaching and preaching of the Word of God? Should this season change our thinking on the church, preaching, or technology? What might Dr. Allen have change in his recent book on preaching, Letters to My Students? (And Bryan asked why is says “Volume 1” on the cover.) They covered these questions and many others.

Dr. Allen is the President of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, author of multiple books, and host of the “Preaching and Preachers.”

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Fear Not! "We Need to Talk About Death"

We need to talk about the elephant in the Zoom meeting. Death. Everyone will die, at some point. Death is a real part of life and the Bible talks about it a great deal. Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman get raw and honest to talk about death and what the Bible has to say about it. It’s something that has been sterilized from our lives, but it’s on our minds today. It’s not helpful to burry those thoughts and ignore them. We need to be able to talk about death in healthy ways under the guidance and teaching of the Bible. That’s the topic of today’s podcast, “We need to Talk About Death.” Listen to this episode here:

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"You Are What You Do" by Daniel Im

You Are What You Do: and Six Other Lies About Work, Life, & Love by Daniel Im (B&H, 2020) might die an unfortunate death simply because of its release date. It's a book about gig economy and all the lies we but into from work. Thanks to a global pandemic, more people are out of work than any living person has ever experienced, and the gig economy has imploded. We're all quarantined at home. Musicians, Uber drivers, and hundreds of other side jobs have been sidelined. 

But for a moment, let's imagine there is no coronavirus.  

Daniel Im filled his book full of examples that do an excellent job expressing the lies we believe. There's no doubt Im has identified and explained the problem (well, the pre-pandemic problem anyway). However, he did such a good job expressing the problem, his effort to point to the solution came up lacking. Each chapter includes some discussion about the answer, as does the final chapter. Yet, we all know and feel the problem. Instead, Im could have spent half the pages on the issue and tapped into what we already know. Then, with the remaining available pages, he could have given us more of what we're missing--the answer.  

Don't get me wrong, Im expressed and identified the lies with laser precision. It's impossible to miss them after reading his book. But there's a bigger problem. We're in a pandemic, and the economy has the potential to look very different very soon. Most of his examples are irrelevant now. Much of the nation is sitting in their homes, with their family, learning all the things Im suggested, only they are in the school of a new reality.  

I read the book just as the first cases were cropping up in the US. It made sense. It was spot on. But as I'm finally getting around to write a review, I can't think about how disconnected the book may now be. That's unfortunate on many levels. But who could have predicted such a thing?  

Here’s a brief video. In it, Daniel Im discusses the book.

Unscripted: "On the Grocery Store Frontline"

The frontline of the coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic is found at hospitals and grocery stores. Who would have thought that the local grocer would be serving in such a vital role during a global pandemic? What’s going on at the grocery store right now? What’s it like serving others while everyone else is staying home and staying safe? What ministry opportunities are open to Christians serving in this industry during this challenging time?

Jeremiah 29:7 instructs God’s people to serve and bless the community because God’s people benefit and are blessed when they are concerned about the wellbeing of their city. Acts 17:26-29 teaches us that we live and work where we do, when we do for God’s glory. Maybe the Christian grocer and Christian nurse are doing more in the pandemic than the Christian preacher?

Bryan Catherman linked up with Josiah Walker, the Store Director of a locally-owned grocery store called Lee’s Marketplace. He opened a new store only a couple months before the pandemic hit Utah. Then there was an earthquake. Listen to this episode, “On the Grocery Store Frontline” here:

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Unscripted: "Video Stream Preaching" (with Dr. David Allen)

What do preachers need to know as we’re all trying to figure out how to preach to an empty room and a video stream? What should the congregation think about the sermon over video delivery during the coronavirus pandemic? What should change? What should remain the same? How can we do this better? Do we need to improve, and if so, why?

Dr. David Allen, the dean of School of Preaching, author, and preacher joined Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins on Salty Believer Unscripted to talk about preaching and the video stream. This has became a two-part podcast because after we discussed ways to think about streaming and preaching, the guys asked what we should think about preaching a year from now in light of this trying season. Listen to the first episode, “Video Stream Preaching,” here:

In the second part of this discussion, Dr. Allen discussed the lessons we must learn from this season. What will preaching look like one year from now? What should it look like? Are there things we might need to change or add to preaching classes in the seminaries? The answers have a lot to do with how we think about preaching. Listen to the second part, “Preaching Lessons We Need 1 Year From Now,” here:

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Unscripted: "Is This the End of the World?" (With Dr. Malcolm Yarnell)

People are talking about the end of the world. On top of COVID-19/coronavirus, Salt Lake City was shaken by a 5.7 earthquake followed by more than 100 after shocks. Store shelves are empty. “Zombie apocalypse” is a phrase that comes up in conversation a little more. As our thinking moves toward end-times topics, how should we talk about eschatology (the study of end-times) with others? Suddenly, the book of Revelation is getting more attention. How should we approach this book?

Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins sat down with Dr. Malcolm Yarnell to talk about how it all fits together within a Christian worldview. Dr. Yarnell is a Research Professor of Systematic Theology at Southerwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and the teaching pastor at Lakeside Baptist Church in Granbury, Texas. Listen to this episode, “Is This the End of the World?“ here:

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Unscripted: "Theological Reflection"

Dr. Jim Wilson (Gateway Seminary) joined Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman to talk about the importance of taking a pause and doing theological reflection during times of difficult decisions. The Theological Reflection Loop is a tool that requires a pause, then targeted questions in the right order. What’s right? In other words, what does the Bible say? Then it’s necessary to explore theory, other fields of study, and best practices. Finally, one should look at the emotion and relational factors.

Dr. Wilson—author of the book  A Guide to Theological Reflection: A Fresh Approach for Practical Ministry Courses and Theological Field Education —shared this tools with us on Salty Believer Unscripted. The guys looked at the tool itself and then applied to to very real possibilities ministry leaders are facing during this season of coronavirus. In addition, we discussed what’s happening with the Doctor of Ministry program at Gateway Seminary. Dr. Wilson is the director of the program.

Listen to this episode of our series, “Fear Not!” below. It’s called “Theological Reflection.

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Unscripted: "Lead Us Not Into Temptation"

Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins discuss the reality of increased the temptation to sin during this season of shelter-in-place. The pornography industry is already reporting a serious spike in web traffic. There’s greater opportunity for increased incidents of domestic violence, especially with nobody connecting or checking up with each other. And it doesn’t have to be so extreme. Snapping at our children, eating too much, shirking our work-from-home responsibilities, drug use, growing lazy, neglecting the Lord, or any number of other sinful behaviors are likely on the rise. How do we continue to abide in Christ? What does it look like to pray the prayer, “lead us not Into temptation” during the coronavirus? This is the topic of today’s Salty Believer Unscripted podcast. Listen to “Lead Us Not Into Temptation” here:

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Unscripted: "Answers to Your Tough Questions"

Our listeners have great questions and lots of them. Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman take a stab at answering 7 or 8 of your questions and they discuss what the pastor’s day looks like these days. What should the Church keep and what should be dropped when this is all over? Do we really need church buildings in the future? Should we do more streaming and on-line ministry in the future? Why don’t denominations just put out one sermon stream rather than having all these individual churches doing sermons online? When does the Church need to take a stand against government mandates and when do we submit? What should we be looking for as we watch for the return of Christ?

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Unscripted: "Where is God When Bad Things Happen?"

Dr. Travis Kerns from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary was our guest on Salty Believer Unscripted. Today Bryan, Jared, and Travis discussed the question, “Where is God when bad things happen?” with the coronavirus and an earthquake specifically in view. What are we to think about God with everything that’s going on? They also discussed what might be behind the motivation for all the stockpiling and preparation purchases at the grocery stores. Listen today’s podcast, “Where is God When Bad Things Happen?” here:

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Unscripted: "Less Fear More Love"

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman discuss the Utah earthquake on top of an already challenging environment.  Coronavirus has got the world in a state of fear.  An earthquake doesn't help.  How should Christians respond?  Where should we find hope and comfort?  What should we think about the missing trumpet on the Maroni statute on the LSD Temple? Is making jokes about all this helpful?  How can we love others as Christ has called us to love?  So many questions. Maybe you might find this conversation helpful. Listen to this episode of our Fear Not! series, “Less Fear More Love” here:

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